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„ Oh, their laptops last ages! Iphone... Well that's another thing”
Eeee? I have IPhone 8 Plus and no reason to buy new one. iPad 8gen is working fine too.

jordi wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 9:26 pm

rhester72 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 2:31 pm

jordi wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:34 pm

We can't be throwing away our money for each new hardware upgrade

LOL Tell Apple that.

Oh, their laptops last ages! Iphone... Well that's another thing

iPhone last forever too. SW support for like 7 + years generally. People have to complain when they change the connector type every 15 years or so. The outrage! lol.

Audio on the latest nightly build (20240217) seems to be louder then before but I get cracking noises on both dual ram (2.9) and single ram builds while it was fine before. Can anybody confirm this (tried Daytone USA and Exhumed).

I let Daytona USA run through the demo loop twice and didn't hear any audio abnormalities.

It is indeed louder by intention (see "fix output levels"):

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_ ... fc640b901a

The new test build has louder audio but has also broken Outrun, The road is present but nothing else

Why aren’t these new updates added to update_all?
There have been a few updates during past few weeks..yet we're stuck with the old beta core with many issues..
not everyone has the time to manually add cores and unstable versions of Mister, etc.

rhester72 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 3:18 pm

I let Daytona USA run through the demo loop twice and didn't hear any audio abnormalities.

It is indeed louder by intention (see "fix output levels"):

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_ ... fc640b901a

My description should have been more detailed. The Daytona demo sounds fine (mostly), there is a crack at the beginning of the music and sometimes when a speech sample is played. It is not very obvious at first, but when I noticed it, it became more audible.
I hear it more clearly in Exhumed, when I flip through the menu entries, at the beginning of each sound sample it makes a very short cracking noise.

Same here sound cracking in manx tt

Same on Virtua Fighter sometimes.

Another Question:

Some Saturn games keep switching the resolution. In Die Hard, for example, always when changing between levels. As a result, you often see an image displayed too late and the Quicktime events are already over.

Will there be a way to prevent this in the core?

That would be great because Die Hard isn't really playable that way even though it otherwise runs very well.

SegaMan wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 9:04 pm

Same on Virtua Fighter sometimes.

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Another Question:

Some Saturn games keep switching the resolution. In Die Hard, for example, always when changing between levels. As a result, you often see an image displayed too late and the Quicktime events are already over.

Will there be a way to prevent this in the core?

That would be great because Die Hard isn't really playable that way even though it otherwise runs very well.

Use Vsync_Adjust=1 in the ini. This will stop the monitor resynching when the games change resolution or frequency on the fly. You can add a exception in the ini just for that core. Its caused by the monitor scaler rather than anything MiSTer related

16Bittt wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 7:29 pm

Why aren’t these new updates added to update_all?
There have been a few updates during past few weeks..yet we're stuck with the old beta core with many issues..
not everyone has the time to manually add cores and unstable versions of Mister, etc.

They are just nightly test builds once enough issues has been solved without regression a new main will be pushed.

You dont need a unstable MiSTer Main, just the test builds which can be grabbed from Github and just FTP across, it takes mere seconds

https://github.com/MiSTer-unstable-nigh ... r/releases

Thanks for this fantastic core. I'm working myself through the librabry.
The most obvious issue i've came across so far is the low audio in most games.
There are also stuttering sound in some games (Gran Chaser for instance).
The Daytona USA logo doesn't show properly in the game menus (tried Japanese version).
Keep up the good work!

Stuttering sound isn't fixable by code, it's your RAM.

The clicking may be fixed now:

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_ ... mits/main/

EDIT: OutRun also works properly again.

rhester72 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 5:51 pm

The clicking may be fixed now:

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_ ... mits/main/

EDIT: OutRun also works properly again.

Just tried Exhumed on the 20240222 nightly and sadly it's not fixed in the DualRam or the SingleRam core.

We just have to wait a little bit longer

Chris23235 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2024 11:18 pm

Just tried Exhumed on the 20240222 nightly and sadly it's not fixed in the DualRam or the SingleRam core.

Very interesting - confirmed. That means whatever is causing that click is something different.

Cool game, too. =)

rhester72 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 8:21 pm

Stuttering sound isn't fixable by code, it's your RAM.

Did Sergiy say that? Would be a bummer if that's the case...

rhester72 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 7:23 pm

Chris23235 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2024 11:18 pm

Just tried Exhumed on the 20240222 nightly and sadly it's not fixed in the DualRam or the SingleRam core.

Very interesting - confirmed. That means whatever is causing that click is something different.

Cool game, too. =)

Very cool game, discovered it recently myself because of a YT video about the Saturn core.

I still can't tell the difference between unstable cores from here:

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_ ... mits/main/

I know the hex at the end of the filename corresponds to a github commit, but when I look at the shortnames for the commits, none of the IDs ever seem to match. What am I missing?

rhester72 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 1:28 pm

I still can't tell the difference between unstable cores from here:

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_ ... mits/main/

I know the hex at the end of the filename corresponds to a github commit, but when I look at the shortnames for the commits, none of the IDs ever seem to match. What am I missing?

Hmm... You can find the output on the build and associate it to the commit. For instance, this commit is associated to this build.

MadDog wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 1:45 am

Hmm... You can find the output on the build and associate it to the commit. For instance, this commit is associated to this build.

Perfect, this is exactly what I was looking for! Thank you!

Crackle in Exhumed is fixed!

rhester72 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 4:15 am

Crackle in Exhumed is fixed!

Not fully fixed for me, but much improved. I still get some cracking whenever the sound is inititalised (e.g. after loading). It's very short, but audible (only tried DualSDRAM now).

Chris23235 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 12:11 pm

Not fully fixed for me, but much improved. I still get some cracking whenever the sound is inititalised (e.g. after loading). It's very short, but audible (only tried DualSDRAM now).

I was referring to the menu sounds...never heard it on load, but wasn't listening for it, either.

rhester72 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 12:21 pm

Chris23235 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 12:11 pm

Not fully fixed for me, but much improved. I still get some cracking whenever the sound is inititalised (e.g. after loading). It's very short, but audible (only tried DualSDRAM now).

I was referring to the menu sounds...never heard it on load, but wasn't listening for it, either.

Yes in the menu it is fixed for me too. Not sure if the small audible cracks at certain points were in all earlier versions too. Quite possible that I just didn't noticed them before. The sound when the Saturn menu opens without a disc inserted is different too. I had a Saturn back in the day but can't recall what the sound was back then.

Chris23235 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 12:38 pm

Yes in the menu it is fixed for me too. Not sure if the small audible cracks at certain points were in all earlier versions too. Quite possible that I just didn't noticed them before. The sound when the Saturn menu opens without a disc inserted is different too. I had a Saturn back in the day but can't recall what the sound was back then.

I didn't have one back in the day, but the no-disc sound seems correct now as it previously sounded like white noise lol

One thing I have noticed for the first time is how broken audio is underwater in Tomb Raider. Still, every few days, there's improvement!

The last 2-3 updates (including updating the Mister Main unstable too) fixed a lot of sound issues, like CDDA crackles in many games (before every CDDA track started there was a crackle/static sound). Also tons of other games are fine now, like Elevator Action Returns.

Cant confirm that.
The latest core sounds horrible on my Mister.

Crackle Sound on Exhumed and Panzer Dragon 2.
Dont have this on older cores.

SegaMan wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2024 10:53 am

Crackle Sound on Exhumed and Panzer Dragon 2.

Where in Exhumed? The menu crackle is definitely fixed.