MiSTer FPGA Forum

MostroW wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 1:32 pm

Ryuoken wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:20 pm A new update!!

Though i might sounds skeptic, but why aren't we seeing him load / boot the core from the dev's fpga?

I see absolutely no reason to be skeptical. This guy has been responsible for some of the MiSTer's best cores.

hiddenbyleaves wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 1:29 pm Everybody needs to jump onto this guys patreon quick! Incredible progress!

I agree, I am supporting him, it would be incredible to have this core.

MostroW wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 1:32 pm

Ryuoken wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:20 pm A new update!!

Though i might sounds skeptic, but why aren't we seeing him load / boot the core from the dev's fpga?

Not sure what you mean by"the dev's fpga", maybe you could elaborate. Do you mean that you don't see the de10-nano in the shot, or do you mean you don't see the OSD?

Core development for the MiSTer does not require the core to be integrated into the framework prior to development beginning. Core development also doesn't have to begin on the de10-nano (PS1 core is being developed currently on a xilinx arty7 a100t board, because ultraembedded is used to it and xilinx's toolchain, and the team will figure out porting to the mister later).

He brings up the OSD menu at one point in the video and loads a bios.

Oh you're right. Either way, I think it's useful that people recognize that FPGA core development doesn't necessarily require the MiSTer framework at the beginning.

At 1:47 you can see the Mister HUD. Though I don't know why you are doubting the guy who oversees the Mister project itself.

FoxbatStargazer wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 4:47 pm At 1:47 you can see the Mister HUD. Though I don't know why you are doubting the guy who oversees the Mister project itself.

just for the record, I wasn't doubting him. I was responding to someone who was doubting him. And srg320 doesn't oversee the mister project, sorgelig does. Different people

srg320 did the SNES core among many other awesome contributions.

I see no reason to be skeptical either. As far as the Mister menu, srg320 mentions in the comments that it is not the Mister menu, but just a placeholder menu.

I probably missed the menu part that's my bad!

Like i said excuse my skepticism, i come from the time where said they were emulating a lot of stuff when in fact there was nothing untill a lot later.
I've read in another thread where it said the developer Sergey Dvodnenko is a well respected developer so in that matter i've jumped the gun to express my doubts.

Anyway, i am really excited and curious on how well this core will turn out and will keep an eye on this one.
So many good games on the good ol' Saturn!

Could be nice box to be reworked for the Mister once the Saturn core will be there (I really cross my fingers that this happens a day).

https://www.segashop.eu/collections/all ... ne-charger

It seems that a non official case is already on the go

https://www.facebook.com/rpifrance/vide ... ted_videos

hiddenbyleaves wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 4:22 pm He brings up the OSD menu at one point in the video and loads a bios.

Actually, I asked about this on his video:

theimporter
1 day ago
1:47: So is that the official MiSTer menu or a generic menu for FPGA development?

srg320
1 day ago
This is a temporary menu for development.

the_importer wrote: ↑Sat Mar 27, 2021 2:30 pm

hiddenbyleaves wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 4:22 pm He brings up the OSD menu at one point in the video and loads a bios.

Actually, I asked about this on his video:

theimporter
1 day ago
1:47: So is that the official MiSTer menu or a generic menu for FPGA development?

srg320
1 day ago
This is a temporary menu for development.

Ahh, I see. Interesting.

The wording of the question is pretty ambiguous, and mixes up MiSTer/non-MiSTer with development/release distinctions. I'm sure srg320 just meant that the structure/definition of the menu will change radically before release, not that it's some non-MiSTer menu mechanism.

Not sure what all the apparent mystique and speculation is about.

In order to test multiple things in a single build (because builds can take a half hour), developers will make many changes to menu options during development. So it most certainly won't be the official menu until days before release. But the OSD popup was based on the framework.

Also, for purposes of speeding up builds, some developers also use modified frameworks - Jotego routinely builds without HDMI support (during development periods) because the HDMI scaler accounts for about 10 minutes of build time.

And I'm not even sure how the other question is relevant - related to which dev board in being used...

srg320's progress as of March 26, 2021

dshadoff wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 4:51 am And I'm not even sure how the other question is relevant - related to which dev board in being used...

It wasn't a question, I was actually trying to demystify all of it a little bit, since sometimes devs have started development on a core on different hardware and ported it over.

Sometimes people get overly skeptical just because they see it's being developed on a different board or something.

aberu wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 2:12 am

dshadoff wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 4:51 am And I'm not even sure how the other question is relevant - related to which dev board in being used...

It wasn't a question, I was actually trying to demystify all of it a little bit, since sometimes devs have started development on a core on different hardware and ported it over.

Some developers are just more comfortable with other hardware. I've started reading books and there seems to be some key differences in the way the Xilinx and Cyclone boards handle things internally.

May 10 update .. Seems we all missed this one !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsD1FNHIQxM

it is slowly coming together, very exciting !



For now written:
- SH2 95%
- SCU 90%
- VDP1 80%
- VDP2 90%
- SMPC 80%
- SCSP 70%
- CD 85%

someone also made an estimated timeline for a beta release

Nobody said it was linear...

I guarantee it won't be.

Still good progress, but we haven't even seen the first commercial games running yet.

According to the Pareto Principle 20% of work takes 80% of the time. So it's best to be patient.

Imagine being the developer on July 2nd and getting a bunch of messages asking where the core is...

I wouldn't be surprised if a beta was released by the holiday season. I think that's a resonable expectation given how fast srg320's been working on this project.

Linear developing LMAO what a world some people lives in

Just curious... Does anyone know how hard it would be to make a Sega Model 3 core after this is complete? Can some of the Saturn development code be reused?

thorr wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:06 pm Just curious... Does anyone know how hard it would be to make a Sega Model 3 core after this is complete? Can some of the Saturn development code be reused?

Do you mean the ST-V? Model 3 has a completely different CPU

zakk4223 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:12 pm

thorr wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:06 pm Just curious... Does anyone know how hard it would be to make a Sega Model 3 core after this is complete? Can some of the Saturn development code be reused?

Do you mean the ST-V? Model 3 has a completely different CPU

Thanks. I meant the Model 3. I am hoping someday to have a Sega Model 3 core (Star Wars Trilogy Arcade, Daytona USA 2, etc.). I was wondering if any of the components in the Saturn are also in the Model 3.

Looks like the sound chip is. Other than that it is completely unrelated to a Saturn.

The model 3 has a PowerPC cpu and a proper 3d GPU (Real3D Pro-1000) (multiple of them I believe). It also got substantial upgrades in later revisions.