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MiSTer FPGA Update Module Retro Castle?

Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2022 10:49 am
by Telemachus

Could someone explain the purpose of this update module?

aliexpress.com/item/1005004114904314.html

Based on a review; I see it has something to do with cleaning up the analog audio?

If that is the modules purpose is this fix included in newer versions of the Retro Castle IO Board or is it required for all versions?


Re: MiSTer FPGA Update Module Retro Castle?

Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2022 1:14 pm
by Grumpy-Old-Gamer

I would say it's a L2S audio mod like we see on other AIOs

The DE-10 DAC can be a bit noisy


Re: MiSTer FPGA Update Module Retro Castle?

Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2022 12:17 am
by antoniovillena

It's a I2S module (better audio DAC) for boards with standard DAC. I did some similar patch board with my older SLIM/DRIVE model. You can see how to install in this video.

It's not needed in current models MINI/PLUS because they have I2S by default


Re: MiSTer FPGA Update Module Retro Castle?

Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2022 12:18 am
by antoniovillena
Grumpy-Old-Gamer wrote: Tue Dec 27, 2022 1:14 pm

I would say it's a L2S audio mod like we see on other AIOs

The DE-10 DAC can be a bit noisy

Yes, but the audio DAC is not in the de10 nano. It's in the analog io board.


Re: MiSTer FPGA Update Module Retro Castle?

Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2022 3:32 am
by Malor

Another way around the relatively poor analog sound is to use a Toslink cable to haul the I/O to a receiver or DAC. This is how I do it, and everything sounds splendid.

Apparently the sound can be a little nicer if you set hdmi_audio_96k=1 in the INI. This also applies to the Toslink ports. I guess it improves quality somewhat with cores that use really oddball sampling rates. Almost any receiver can handle this signal; standalone DACs might or might not.

Using the HDMI sound will also work, but that tends to get interrupted when the Mister changes video modes, which happens a lot. The digital-audio-only Toslink port will continue to play smoothly while the monitor figures out what the heck is going on with the new signal.

If you hunt Craigslist, at least if you're in the US, you can get old Denon receivers pretty cheap. They make good quality gear, and anything made since like 2005 should handle a 96K Toslink connection. I got the one I'm using now (a 1909) for $100, and it sounds phenomenal. Just make sure it still comes with the remote, you'll want that. You can typically do anything with the front panel, but it's harder.


Re: MiSTer FPGA Update Module Retro Castle?

Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 1:49 pm
by Alf

Does anyone know if Retrocastle's 2024 IO boards already have this built in?


Re: MiSTer FPGA Update Module Retro Castle?

Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 3:43 pm
by dickhardpill
Alf wrote: Tue May 21, 2024 1:49 pm

Does anyone know if Retrocastle's 2024 IO boards already have this built in?

https://www.retrocastlestore.com/products/mister-fpga-dual-sdram-io-board-digital-2024-version wrote:

Our IO board has been independently verified as the highest quality DAC on the market. See for yourself!


Re: MiSTer FPGA Update Module Retro Castle?

Posted: Wed May 22, 2024 9:12 am
by Alf
dickhardpill wrote: Tue May 21, 2024 3:43 pm
https://www.retrocastlestore.com/products/mister-fpga-dual-sdram-io-board-digital-2024-version wrote:

Our IO board has been independently verified as the highest quality DAC on the market. See for yourself!

I believe that applies to the video DAC. The link opens a Google spreadsheet with video DACs tested. It's a great independent resource that has helped me a lot.
But I was wondering about the audio DAC..


Re: MiSTer FPGA Update Module Retro Castle?

Posted: Wed May 22, 2024 12:10 pm
by dickhardpill

my apologies. I guess I would refer you to retrocastle as a direct source for your answer.

They have a discord-
retrocastleivory

They also provide a phone number and email.