Apple II Core

[thorr]

Is this your monitor by any chance? https://oldcrap.org/2019/05/14/apple-iic-monitor/
Also does your IIc have some kind of dongle to connect to the video-port, allowing to plug a "regular" composite jack to it?

Either way, it's clear your monitor does not do artifact color ... so we have to generate the color in the core.

The reason I am using the IIc monitor is because I have a real IIc and a MiSTer, so we can try to get the two outputs to match exactly with the same monitor.

Yes that's a great test to make. I suspect the extra color circuitry is in the dongle used with the IIc.
We have room for a "//c PAL" palette; I've used your values for now until we determine a better one.

Thanks for your help! No, this is my monitor. https://i.imgur.com/vOvLkAg.jpeg Here is a repair video for it. He hooked up a color bar generator and other sources and said it had great color, so I don't think it is inaccurate due to some kind of strange composite input: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1U1uRJXIUj0

I also hooked the MiSTer up to my Toshiba NTSC TV via composite with the exact same result (B&W is B&W, not color). So perhaps something on the MiSTer side is the cause. I am using an Antonio Vilenna IO board with the MiSTer for my testing and perhaps because it has different video DACs, it is causing the discrepancy, or perhaps I am missing a setting somewhere. I don't have a standard analog board on my other MiSTer. I can ask A.V. about this if it makes sense to. I plan to get the new IO board for my other MiSTer when it becomes available, so I could try that when it gets here.

Meanwhile, if you can create a new RBF using my monitor's color based on the photo for the IIc palette, that would be great! I will test that with the Toshiba TV and have the Apple IIc in the same room and I can see how they look side by side in person. My TV's color should be pretty good. I am picky about color calibration.

[Newsdee]

if you can create a new RBF using my monitor's color based on the photo for the IIc palette, that would be great!

I already did
Check the attachment in my post above: viewtopic.php?p=86672#p86672

No, this is my monitor. https://i.imgur.com/vOvLkAg.jpeg

It could be the adapter; I think early A.V. adapters had their own clock so they operate at a different frequency than the core.
But your might be an earlier model. Anyway - try the build above and hopefully you'll get good colors.

[thorr]

It could be the adapter; I think early A.V. adapters had their own clock so they operate at a different frequency than the core.
But your might be an earlier model. Anyway - try the build above and hopefully you'll get good colors.

I just thought of something and came here to post it. It could be the adapter, lol. I have two of them because S-Video didn't work on the first one because two of the connections were reversed. Composite still worked. I need to find my other adapter and test with that. They are the MikeS design by A.V.

[thorr]

if you can create a new RBF using my monitor's color based on the photo for the IIc palette, that would be great!

I already did
Check the attachment in my post above: viewtopic.php?p=86672#p86672

So that is color matched to my photo? I was asking for two different things so I am not sure what I should be selecting:

1) I provided a rotated photo that we have been talking about of my IIc monitor. Which core setting should I choose for the colors that match this with RGB/component?
2) I provided a list of what color matches the closest for each number 1-14. Did you provide this? I thought this was "handpicked".

Thanks!

[Newsdee]

[) I provided a list of what color matches the closest for each number 1-14. Did you provide this? I thought this was "handpicked".

Oh you're right - it is the list (not the picture of RGB).
Maybe we need to have a custom palette option so you can load what you want ... will give it a try at some point

[thorr]

[) I provided a list of what color matches the closest for each number 1-14. Did you provide this? I thought this was "handpicked".

Oh you're right - it is the list (not the picture of RGB).
Maybe we need to have a custom palette option so you can load what you want ... will give it a try at some point

That would be cool. Then I could exactly dial in the composite out colors. In the meantime, maybe just make a "IIc Monitor" option for RGB. This is probaby all temporary until we can get to the final solution for the end users.

[thorr]

Could you try it with the Black & White mode?

I found my other composite adapter and on my TV, it is very dim, but I can see the various colors barely. On my Apple IIc monitor It looks mostly like a bunch of different shades of gray. There may be a hint of color in there, but it is nothing like what it should look like. When selecting Color mode, both the TV and the monitor come to life with plenty of color.

[xboxown]

I LOVE APPLE // SO MUCH AND LOVE APPLE // CORE ENORMOUSLY!!!! The Apple // remains to be my favorite core between them all hehe. It have a special place for me.

[thorr]

Could you try it with the Black & White mode?

FYI - I plan to get the new official analog IO board for my other MiSTer. Hopefully it won't change the behavior of composite video compared to the older version of the official analog IO board, and I will test again. I also already received my new macro lens. I won't be able to work on this for 2-3 weeks though. For the color values, is it R, G, and B values from 0 to 255? I can provide these as well. Thanks.

[Newsdee]

Update: custom palettes!

Attached is a test build that adds the option to load in your own palette.
Now anybody can customize the core to their heart's content!

I've also added a shortcut (F8) to cycle through baked-in palettes and the custom one.
You can also use F9 to switch between color and monochrome modes. Use both to switch modes in-game.

The custom colors are defined in a .a2p file.
You can edit/create the files using a hex editor such as HxD: https://mh-nexus.de/en/hxd/

I've provided some examples in the attached .zip , each color uses 3 RGB values + 00 to separate.
So far I'm pretty happy as to how the "PC CGA" palette turned out.

[thorr]

Update: custom palettes!

Awesome! I can't wait to play with this, especially with the new IO board and IIc monitor. Once I get it perfect, I will share my results.

[Bristles]

How do you display the colour bars on a real Apple IIe ?
I wouldn't mind hooking up my own Apple IIe to the same PVM my Mister is connected to, and testing which palette closely matches the real thing.

[Newsdee]

How do you display the colour bars on a real Apple IIe ?

Can you use .dsk images? Then you can use the attached diagnostic disk - it's the one I use to test.

Otherwise, attached is a screenshot of Woz's own test program (from an Apple II article from 1978),
you can type that in to display some color bars.

[Bristles]

Thanks for that disk. I have a SDisk2 Floppy Emulator for my Apple IIe, it only supports NIC files, but dsk files can be converted to NIC, so that is no problem.
Many thanks.

[thorr]

Update: custom palettes!

Thanks for the new version! Today I received my new v9.2 I/O board, and I had an available evening to briefly test it out. See my not so good phone photos here: https://imgur.com/a/oK5iVbC

What I am finding is that the built-in IIe version is really pretty good, except for Color 7 which is pretty far off. Also, TEXT mode is pure white on the actual IIc and has color artifacts from the MiSTer. All of this is using the "Color" mode.

Using the B&W mode changes the colors to B&W, but the text mode still has some color to it, where on the IIc, it is pure black and white.

[sharklodon]

Nice work!!!

Add a Z80 SoftCard would be awesome!!!

I'd like to run CP/M on it!!!

Please, check this doc (section 3.7 The Z80 SoftCard):
https://www.ele.uva.es/~jesus/a2.pdf

And sources (with z80 softcard implemented):
https://www.ele.uva.es/~jesus/a2.tgz
https://www.ele.uva.es/~jesus/a2e128.tgz

https://opencores.org/projects/cpu6502_true_cycle

Best regards,
Shark,

[Newsdee]

https://www.ele.uva.es/~jesus/a2e128.tgz

That source code included a feature to emulate disk sounds...(!) so I've tried incorporating it to our core.
You can try my test build for now (I might tinker with it more before submitting it)

[Newsdee]

oops... a small bug crept in; "Yes" is "No" in the menu option for turning it on. Here is a corected core